Norfolk Connections: Belson, Pyecroft, Dyball, Partridge or Webster families?

 

Whilst continuing my genetic analysis looking for potential segments inherited from George Courtney, I have discovered a number of groups that seem to suggest a connection to Norfolk, England.  Two groups of particular interest have been identified as potential Courtney-Paice segments but are still being analysed to determine whether they were inherited from Abigail's mother Abigail Paice or her father George Courtney - our target ancestor.  


C05_M_M205:  Courtney or Paice?

In 2020 a small triangulated group was identified on chromosome 5 at 23andme, consisting of 3 DNA matches to my family, all >20cMs and who shared the common ancestors of Glenn Oscar Rich and his wife Golda Emma Sweet, through two of their sons.  This suggested we might have a connection through an ancestor of either Glenn or Golda.  Most of their ancestors go back in the US for several generations.  



On the Rich side, it was only the Laura BELSON line that seemed to go back more recently to Norfolk, England.  Looking at matches in the same segment area at other sites including FamilyTreeDNA, My Heritage and GEDmatch did not help, with most matches in this segment area being <10cMs and many without trees. 

However AncestryDNA revealed a group of smaller matches on the BELSON line, with a group of 7 testers descended from Laura Belson's brother George Henry Belson, through 4 of his children.  




Whilst these matches do not appear in a cluster and cannot be confirmed at the chromosome level, they perhaps suggest that our connection might be back from the parents of Laura and George - via George Belson and Maryanne Pyecroft from Norfolk, England?  Many of these families married closely, so without chromosome data it is difficult to confirm the matches are all coming from the same common ancestor.

Looking more closely at Golda Sweet's family, she descends from a Middlesex Newberry family, via Clarissa Gilbert.  Middlesex is where our George Courtney was said to be born about 1841 and Arthur Newberry was a witness at Abigail Courtney's wedding in 1892.  This potential link has no confirmation through DNA matching at this time, but needs to be noted (see below for more info).



C10_B_M140:  Courtney or Paice?

Again in 2020, the matches in a triangulated group on chromosome 10 were examined, there were many matches in the 20-30cMs range.  Common names in the group include Webster, Brown, Clare, Dyball, with East Dereham (Wright), North Walsham/Martham (Webster) and Alysham (Dyball) in Norfolk, but again I could find little evidence of tree triangulation as many matches did not have trees and failed to respond to emails.  

One match in the group has an 'unknown' ancestor in their pedigree but had many matches going back to Edward Dyball b1800 and his wife Elizabeth Ives.  This match also tested at AncestryDNA and my family shares a match in common whose ancestor was William Dyball (a convict to Australia) b1797, and his wife Mary Clare.  William was believed to have also been known as George William Purnell and one of our matches in the triangulated group at My Heritage also carries the surname Purnell.  Clue or co-incidence?

The match with the surname Purnell, traces his male line back to a George Purnell and his wife Mary Ann.  They appear in the 1851 census in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.  Mary Ann is about the same age as Mary Clare.  Are they the same couple?  A marriage record needs to be found to pursue this line of enquiry further.

William Dyball's parents were John Dyball b1768 and his wife Abigail Partridge from Norfolk, England.  Research suggests that Edward Dyball b1800 was Williams brother.  So, perhaps our connection might be back on one of the Dyball or Partridge lines?  Unfortunately, the lack of chromosome data at AncestryDNA does not allow for further analysis or confirmation.

Interestingly, looking back even further on the line of Elizabeth Ives, her great grandmother was Martha Pyecroft c1713, she came from Aylsham the same area in Norfolk as the Dyballs.  Maryanne Pyecroft c1818 appeared in the C05_M_M205 group.   Maryanne's father John Pyecroft was also born Aylsham abt 1792, but is recorded as the illegitimate son of Hannah Pycroft c1770.  Are the segments in both groups coming from the same common ancestor?  Unravelling this group without access to sufficient chromosome data, given the closeness of these families, may prove problematic.

Once again, there is a match in this group who connects to the Middlesex Newberry family, this time through the Jarman/Brown line.  This link has no confirmation through DNA matching and is probably a red herring, but should be noted (see below for more info).


Possible Newberry Connections

Two possible connections to the Newberry family were found whilst reviewing the M140 and M205 groups.  Both groups are still being analysed to determine whether the segments were inherited from Abigail's mother Abigail Paice or her father, our target ancestor George Courtney.

Whilst one match in each group has the Gosset/Newberry couple in their pedigrees, these Newberry connections do not have tree triangulation within either group, so the individual connections to these names may just be co-incidence, but worth noting for the historical record.  

As at February 2023, evidence suggests the M205 group seems more likely to be a connection on the Gilbert side, whilst the M140 group remains unclear.





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This blog is dedicated to finding my second great grandfather Arthur 'George' Courtney c1841.   To see a summary of my research click here.  

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